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Post by Seraphim on Nov 20, 2004 23:00:48 GMT -5
I am completely against it. Marriage has been, and always will be a union before God, a holy union and a gay marriage will never be a holy union. Its a mockery. Marriage is considered worthless enough now adays, do we really need to hand it over to the homosexuals to completely demolish? They have the right to medicine, not marriage.
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Post by The Awesome One on Nov 22, 2004 22:16:43 GMT -5
Way to not judge people Succ. "It's a mockery", your acting as if gays are a lower life form of some sort. Doesn't God teach you to treat everyone equally? You act as if anyone who doesn't share the same views as you is immediately wrong. And by the way, "marriage is a union before God"? Your basically saying that anyone that doesn't believe in the existence of God shouldn't be allowed to be married.
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Post by Seraphim on Nov 23, 2004 10:37:29 GMT -5
That what it is. Why do you think it takes a pastor to marry people? It is a union before God and the concept of giving that sin a union before God is laughable. They're not a lower life form, but they ought to get rid of that sin instead of trying to get the rest of us to embrace it.
Gay marriage would open up a huge loop hole that would destroy marriage anyway. It would mean that marriage would just before love and if its just for love, anyone could marry anyone else. Its not right. Marriage is alot more than a peice of paper and it should be treated as such. We through it around as if its nothing now a days. Its a promise to love that person (of the opposite sex) for the rest of their lives.
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Post by The Awesome One on Nov 23, 2004 20:12:37 GMT -5
BUT BEING WHO YOU ARE IS NOT A SIN! You can't just lie to yourself and people about who you are. AND NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES IN GOD! EVERYONE lives in sin. You can't be the spitting image of God or Jesus. ITS NOT POSSIBLE. You yourself have some sins, I'm sure of it. Tell me, if liking emo music or anything you liked was considered a sin in the eyes of God would you like being judged about it? Would you stop liking it just because people told you it was wrong? Geez Succ, I thought you were an open minded person. Just how the hell do you think they should "get rid of the sin"?
(Sorry if I act like a bitch but I'm no tinthe best of moods right now and plus the way you responded sort of got me worked up. No offense meant.)
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Post by Seraphim on Nov 24, 2004 15:17:22 GMT -5
(none taken Angelus informed me I shouldn't take arguments to heart)
I would give up my emo music if God told me it took me away from Him. I would do it gladly. Yes, they obviously don't believe in God if their doing another guy in the butt, however as a christian, I have a responsability to tell others what is best for them, not that I always no anything beyound 'Jesus is the way to salvation'. I care. I don't think they shouldn't get married because there horrable people, chrisitians are to love the people and hate the sin, so I just wish they would abandon the sin instead of trying to get the rest of the world to accept it as being okay.
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Post by The Awesome One on Nov 24, 2004 21:45:45 GMT -5
You didn't answer the question. How are they gonna abandon that "sin". And by the way, some gays are religious people. And isn't God supposed to forgive people for their sins? I get the fact that you want what's best for people but you can't just go around telling people that kind of stuff. Especially if they don't want to hear it. You may mean well but to other it could be offensive. Judging people and saying that they make a mockery out of God and marriage isn't gonna make them listen. Their not gonna start lying to themselves and force themselves to lie to other people just so they won't be judged. It's basically just a bigger version of peer pressure, you tell them it's wrong and that they have to act normal to be accepted or to fit in.
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Post by Seraphim on Nov 24, 2004 22:15:01 GMT -5
They can be religious, but they wouldn't be chrisitians. They can fight the urge to do it just like an ex drug addict can fight the urge to shoot up. I'm not judgeing them, I'm noting the fruit, like I said, I don't hate the sinner, I only hate the sin. Provided I don't know anyone who's gay (there really aren't any where I live) I wouldn't hate them just for their sin, but I would encourage them to abandon it. I know some one who's been gay and because a christian. And God will only forgive sins if you intend to leave them in the past. A gay man can't say "I'm gay, I'm sorry, forgive me, but I'm going to stay this way" Thats not how it works.
I don't care who I offened. I'm not about pleasing man and living for God shouldn't be about pleasing man. the wants of man vary from person to person, but God only wants one way, the best way for us.
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Post by The Awesome One on Nov 26, 2004 16:41:06 GMT -5
"God only wants one way, the best way for us" His way right? Okay, this is seriously getting to me. YOU CAN'T GO AROUND DRILLING THIS STUFF IN PEOPLES HEADS! Respect their opinions and accept them for who they are.
"I don't care who I offened." EXACTLY! You don't care who you offend because you will do whatever you want. I don't think gay people care if they offend you. So there, I guess you have something in common with them there huh? What are you gonna do? Send them to some camp where you try and brainwash them with religious facts and that they should hate who they are? Why don't you just go up to them and hit them over the head with the bible? It would probably just have the same effect anyways.
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Post by Seraphim on Nov 26, 2004 17:07:10 GMT -5
Being Gay, isn't normal. If we all turned gay man kind would become extinct. It doesn't have to be who they are, they just adopt it to be like that and do those things and I wouldn't be upset about what they do, I would think of them the same way I would about anyone else living an unsafe lifestyle but they want us to accept it as normal and okay when its not. I know how this sound horrably one-sided but its the way I see it. Its not okay. If we all did it, man wouldn't be here anymore. Its not genetic, its not good. You have a nearly doubled chance of getting stds when your gay, its just bad. Its not good for them and it makes me mad that they want everyone else to accept it as being okay.
They can be gay, thats fine, thats their choice, its wrong but its their choice, but they don't need a marriage.
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Post by The Awesome One on Nov 27, 2004 17:26:39 GMT -5
"They adopt it"? How can you adopt something like that? What, one day you just wake up and say "Hey I feel like being gay for the rest of my life, it sounds like fun." You can't do something like that. It's not possible. Most gay people hate being gay, they hate themselves for being that way. Why would they just adopt it if their gonna hate themselves? And that is pretty one sided. Hypothetically, if you lived somewhere else, where people didn't like you for your beliefs except only a few who accepted you how would you feel? Wouldn't you want to be accepted because its' what you want to believe in and your not gonna just abandon your belief just so they would stop harrassing you or looking down on you would you?
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Post by The Weak's End on Dec 2, 2004 14:16:47 GMT -5
ok....I with shylox on this one.....why are you constantly trying to change our minds about this kind of shit....everyone is entitled to their own opinion....we are no different....you should have learned by now that opinions are not facts....so you cant proove them....let us believe what we want to believe....I believe that if 2 dudes wanna fuck, then let em....its not gonna hurt you....oh and mankind wouldnt die, theirs this little thing called a test-tube.....
shylox- I loved the "woke up one day and decided to be gay" thing....that was funny....
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Post by Seraphim on Dec 2, 2004 17:27:55 GMT -5
Oh yeah, fake babies nice cover. Why don't you stop trying to change my mind? You seem to only see it one way, this is a two way debate, and it is a debate, if we stopped, well, then we'd just be talking. I have my opinion, you have yours, we're debating it. If we could sustain our selves with test-tube babies (that always seemed to be an insault in my childhood) we'd die of desieses(sp?) You get STD alot easier from a homosexual relationship than you could from a strait one. And again, if they want to commite that sin, fine. I don't go on all day about everyone who's ever done anykind of sin, but they want us to accept it as normal and okay. What ever happened to a normal loving family? Society will crumble if Homosexuality becomes the norm. Even if its widely accepted. The morals society WAS based on will be thrown out the window and marriage would be come even more of a worthless shame done several times over until you finally get it right. Its not right. They shouldn't be making such a big deal. If they want to do that, thats fine, there are sacrafices that come with that, one of them is that you can't get married. They don't have to try and make us think its okay. I don't think its okay at all.
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Post by The Weak's End on Dec 2, 2004 19:37:21 GMT -5
ok, first of all, I was kidding about the test-tube thing....get over it...and second...you cant choose to be gay....its just how you are....I looked it up...for health class one time....
and um....if the all 2 billion some people in this world turn gay, then it'll be the day I wear the color pink.....and that would be, they day after never....because, like I said before, you cant choose to be gay....it just happens....
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Post by Seraphim on Dec 3, 2004 10:04:08 GMT -5
And what makes it happen? Genetics? Because if your gay, you can't exactly pass on that gene.
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Post by The Weak's End on Dec 3, 2004 13:42:16 GMT -5
I never said it was genetics..... .....it has something to do with the chemical balance in your brain....its different when your gay then it is if your straight....
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