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Apathy
Nov 18, 2004 18:35:01 GMT -5
Post by Seraphim on Nov 18, 2004 18:35:01 GMT -5
I went to shylox's site and She has a rant about Apathy which I completely disagree with and since I have a message board I figured I could state my opinion here. Apathy is bad, no matter what. We have emoitions and feelings for a reason, why shut them off? If something keeps happening to the point that it numbs you, maybe you should do something about it. You can't just stop caring, if we all just stopped caring the world wouldn't work. If someone was apathetic towards you for example you wouldn't like it, so why do you have the right to be apathetic? Everything you care about effects someone else and everything you don't care about. If we just stop caring we don't go anywhere. You can't stop caring, its un-human-like (yes, I just invinted that ) what do you guys think. (All two of you. )
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Apathy
Nov 18, 2004 18:47:56 GMT -5
Post by The Awesome One on Nov 18, 2004 18:47:56 GMT -5
I didn't say that Apathy is the best solution but I'm just saying. It's better than going out and hurting yourself. How would not being able to feel hate hurt someone else? Wouldn't hating someone hurt them even more? Who needs sadness or hate anyways? I know that I don't. Are you saying that you actaully rather feel pain and suffering than just not caring and not feeling it at all? I'm not saying to go and be apathetic about something important in your life that matter like getting an education or not caring about someone. Just think of it from another point of view other than you own or a religious point of view that's thte view your taking. That's all I'm asking.
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Apathy
Nov 18, 2004 18:52:27 GMT -5
Post by Seraphim on Nov 18, 2004 18:52:27 GMT -5
For one, it takes apathy to kill yourself, you have to not care what who cares or what the price in the next life will (could be) You would have to not care about life. And I've been apathetic, been there, done that hated it. When you are apathetic you can't feel anything, that includes love and joy. There's more to everysituation than the bad and painful, you can't close up and run away from the good just because there's some bad with it. The sweet isn't sweet without the bitter.
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Apathy
Nov 18, 2004 19:05:44 GMT -5
Post by The Awesome One on Nov 18, 2004 19:05:44 GMT -5
I've also been apathetic and in fact I still kind of am. There is no good in an extremely bad situation. And like I said, I'm not defending apathy when it comes to the point where you don't care about life and hurt or kill yourself. I'm just saying, if there's too much hate in your life and anger, it's alright to be apathetic when it comes to that. I'm not saying it's the perfect solution and that you should stick to it for the rest of your life but maybe just when it gets really bad. Apathy isn't the only reason for suicide or hurting yourself. So is pain, sadness, hate, anger and depression. I'm betting you wouldn't be arguing with me if I were defending sadness or anger now would you? 'Cause they're feelings and everyone should feel them. But some people just can't handle all of those emotions and they need an easy exit like apathy, and no not in the sense where you're gonna go and kill yourself but in the sense that you can just forget about those emotions for a certain amount of time until you get some help.
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Apathy
Nov 18, 2004 19:09:59 GMT -5
Post by Seraphim on Nov 18, 2004 19:09:59 GMT -5
But how are you supposted to get help when you don't care? Numbing yourself to it solves nothing. You just get crude and depressing.
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Apathy
Nov 18, 2004 19:15:16 GMT -5
Post by The Awesome One on Nov 18, 2004 19:15:16 GMT -5
Numbing some of the pain doesnt make you forget why you're numbing yourself in the first place. If you know you have a problem get help, but if you can't get it right away then numb yourself a bit until then.
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Apathy
Nov 18, 2004 19:20:36 GMT -5
Post by Seraphim on Nov 18, 2004 19:20:36 GMT -5
Its not that simple, its not a switch, you can't just say, "I'm not going to care anymore."
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Apathy
Nov 18, 2004 19:26:22 GMT -5
Post by The Awesome One on Nov 18, 2004 19:26:22 GMT -5
I know you can't, and I'm not saying that it is, but eventually you'll realize that if you can't get help, you're gonna have to deal with the pain or start to just not care.
P.S. When we're done with this discusion do you mind if I add it to the site? It's pretty interesting. So it wouldn't just be me giving my opinion but other people too.
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Apathy
Nov 18, 2004 19:29:02 GMT -5
Post by Seraphim on Nov 18, 2004 19:29:02 GMT -5
(yeah, you can)
but then we're back to the whole, "you can't not care" thing. You've either got to deal with it or have your breath and pulse be the only sign your alive.
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Apathy
Nov 18, 2004 19:33:10 GMT -5
Post by The Awesome One on Nov 18, 2004 19:33:10 GMT -5
(k thanks)
But like I said before. You're not numbing and ingoring ALL of your feelings, just the bad ones. It might seem like your running away from the problem but if you can't feel the bad emotions it doesnt mean that you forget what you felt and how you felt. If you don't have to deal with the pain of a certain problem it could give you more time to clear your head about other stuff or another problem that's been bugging you, and then come back to face the problem you chose to numb for a while in the first place.
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Apathy
Nov 19, 2004 19:13:04 GMT -5
Post by Seraphim on Nov 19, 2004 19:13:04 GMT -5
But if you are just numbing your self to the pain, then your not being apathetic, your just trying to ignore it. To be apathetic is to shut off ALL emotions.
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Apathy
Nov 20, 2004 19:07:03 GMT -5
Post by The Awesome One on Nov 20, 2004 19:07:03 GMT -5
I didn't say just the pain, I mean just completely forget about it for a while, but ONLY for a while. Not forever, just until you think you can deal with it.
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Apathy
Nov 20, 2004 19:28:44 GMT -5
Post by Lord MIW on Nov 20, 2004 19:28:44 GMT -5
Shutting off emotions helps you to deal with some situations and to cope better in others. Emotions should be felt, but as you mentioned earlier, feeling nothing is better than feeling so bad you want to hurt yourself. Apathy isn't the cause of self-harm, it helps stop it - gives you a chance to breathe. When you self-harm you feel angry at yourself, that's why you don't care.
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Apathy
Nov 20, 2004 19:33:56 GMT -5
Post by The Awesome One on Nov 20, 2004 19:33:56 GMT -5
Thank you. You seemed to have explained it better than I've been trying to. Apathy isn't the best solution, I said that, but atleast it's a better solution than hurting yourself.
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Apathy
Nov 20, 2004 22:27:07 GMT -5
Post by Seraphim on Nov 20, 2004 22:27:07 GMT -5
I have been on the not caring side, I have been on the not cared for side and both of them are more pain than their worth. In stead of ignoreing the problem even for a time, we need to just pony up and fix it. I finally realized that and I'm fine now. My life has peaced its self back together, provided I did not do it on my own, it got done and had I stayed apathetic I'd well, still be mistrable. It solves nothing. You just hurt people and yourself, depending on the situation. I became a very cold person and I attacked everyone who said anything about anything I was ignoring, it was just bad, I was not a happy person and I made other people upset. It solves nothing.
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